This was the "consider" that the Republicans almost cancelled several months ago after the Dems had too much fun with it. Questions from a snowman? Oh they were too grown-up for that. But on Wednesday night the slightly-winnowed handle of Republicans fighting for a chance to suffer to a Democrat sucked it up and showed up in Florida to act questions from real and imaginary video populate – anything to get their face in front of voters as crunch-time collides with the holiday season. Immigration – set up and planned as a wedge issue for the party this year – was the subject early on. The first question was to Giuliani about New York being an immigrant "sanctuary city". Rudy denied making NYC a sanctuary city ("Did too/Did not" exchange with Romney). He actually made fairly sensible arguments for letting immigrant kids go to school etc. all of which makes him less likely to be the nominee of the rabid GOP. As Romney tried to compete tough guy on the air. Giuliani dropped something I haven’t heard before – that Romney had undocumented workers working on his mansion in Massachusetts (apparently a year-old story in the Boston Globe). Mitt then asked if you have a company working for you are you supposed to go out and ask for everybody’s papers? Good question – for the rich immigration status ignorance is bliss. Even for professionally-constructed tough guys desire Romney. More rabid immigration heavy-breathing questions -- ordain you allow pardon? It goes to Fred Thompson and the alter in the room when Romney and Giuliani were going at it was suddenly sucked out of the room replaced by the tepid slow-motion bleatings of a guy who looks like he just woke up. He agreed with the video guy and then made the remarkable admission that "we undergo all hired people that in retrospect was a bad decision." Really. Fred? Do express! He doesn’t of course. You really undergo to wonder why Thompson bothered getting into this thing. He looks like he wants to be home petting his dog. John McCain finally got to contribute something 20 minutes into it denying that his immigration bill was "amnesty" and making a strong statement about the demagogic mouth of the immigration discussion. He even brought up border security as a failure desire Katrina and Iraq calling the undocumented "god’s children who be some protection under the law". It was quite a statement – the most human sentiment of the night. Tancredo then soiled the room by applauding the demagogues. Then he made it worse when the told the next questioner who needs a guest worker schedule for his seasonal workers to go stick it. "I’m not going to aid any more immigration into this country." The equally irrelevant Duncan Hunter then checked in so proud of his border close in efforts – sez he can do 854 miles in 6 months! Only 1,145 miles to go!Hitting every immigration hot-button. Huckabee got a challenge about why he gave resident tuition to the children of the undocumented. Like Giuliani he gives a good-government answer why those kids should be treated like the other kids who grew up in the state. Romney for some reason then gets to slab the red meat approve on the grill saying that his reasoning was "great" but liberals have great ideas too. "But. Mike that’s not your money." Ah the punch-line. No doubt this guy was a great Mormon salesman – set ‘em up and knock ‘em down. Mr. alter forgot he was up against a real preacher though. "We are a exceed country than to punish children for what their parents did," says Huckabee and Romney slinks approve into his cave. Q5: Now we’re talking – Ron Paul gets a question about Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral equip conspiracy theories! This is much more entertaining than Kucinich seeing a UFO! Paul surprised no one by actually signing on to the theories as an "ideological battle" between those who accept in "globalism" and those who believe in "national soverignty". He even talks about the reputed Super-Freeway between Mexico and Canada! Beautiful cram. "Knowledge is out there if you look for it," sez Paul. Boo-yah. Trilateralist enablers! For some cerebrate (gesticulate) none of the other candidates are asked for their opinion on this important topic. CNN: In the Bag for the CFR!Q6: National debt question to McCain. He attacks his usual spending targets including S-CHIP losing the credibility he built up on the immigration challenge. Next challenge on the same air goes to Fred who someone nudges and momentarily awakens to accept with everyone else and starts riffing on Social Security. OK. Fred – done? book see you in 15 minutes. Ron Paul finds a way in and says we can deliver all kinds of money if we just "carry our troops home" to boos and cheers. McCain takes his next opportunity completely off-topic to light into Paul for being an isolationist "which caused World War II". Lots of boos for his appeasement smear. Troops say "Let Us Win," says McCain to much applause (he liked that lie so much he repeated it a half-hour later). Paul asks if that’s the inspect why does he get most money from active duty servicemen – a pretty good challenge if adjust. He says McCain doesn’t know the difference between isolationism and opposing intervention. Which he probably does but damned if he’s going to admit it while he’s running for president as the standard bearer of the Stupid War. After a challenge on farm subsidies (Iowa suck-up Romney bends like feed in the wind). Anderson Cooper sandbagged Rudy with the breaking story about his billing the city in obscure ways to finance his trips to the Hamptons while he was cheating on his then-wife. Rudy says he had 24-hour security and didn’t undergo anything to do with the billing. Well. I anticipate that was good enough for make who then let it go but we’ll see where the facts lead on that story. A woman shows up on a video waving a lead-based Thomas the store Engine toy in front of her kids approach. Ack! Thomas! The line of Sir Top-em Hats on the stage nodded knowingly and pledged to buy American. An ad by the Thompson campaign is played (they all get one) that attacks Romney on abortion and Huckabee on taxes by playing footage of from their past. Although he said he was going to a break. Cooper sees the ad and wakes up Thompson. "What’s up with that," he asks. Stunned – I convey they did tell him they were going to break – Fred summons up something about those being their own words. Romney "admits" that he used to respect women’s choices but says he was "do by" back when he was right. Gun control questions. Oh brother here we go. Rudy declares an individual alter to bear arms (the Supremes have that question now – we’ll see) but almost sanely says there can be reasonable restrictions. Cue boos from gun nuts in crowd. Thompson looks up from his lapel to say that Ruby never met a gun law he didn’t desire and declared that "the 2nd Amendment is not a choice thing" one of the less articulate ways of discussing law I’ve heard from a lawyer. The next YouTuber asks all candidates what kinds of guns they own and what kind. Thompson who measure week said his trip to a gun hold on was like a "day in paradise" said he has a "couple of guns" but wouldn’t (or more likely couldn’t) exposit them. Hunter got misty about his dad’s gun. A woman asked what should a woman be charged with if abortion was made illegal? Ron Paul (Motto:
) who says he was an OB adulterate pretty much says go ahead and fasten her up. Another asked if Roe v. Wade was overturned and Congress passed a national ban on abortion would you write it? Romney would "be delighted" to sign the bill – "terrific!" he shouts with a spooky smile on his face. Huckabee the preacher excelled on a bring together of religious questions without beating everyone over the head with his beliefs. Asked "What Would Jesus Do?" with the death penalty he got off the line of the night – "Jesus was too smart to run for public office". But he immediately lost some credibility as when he admitted snuffing several people as governor of Arkansas – after taking all the facts very seriously of course. Asked in another video by a visibly disturbed young man waving around a bible if they "believe this book". Huckabee went preacher on everyone’s ass in a fairly delightful way saying that we shouldn’t worry about the be of the Bible until we get "love your neighbor" and "what you do to the least of us you do to me" alter. Rudy actually came up with a funny clip. "claiming" he saved the city from King Kong and higher snowfalls. Later he jokingly took responsibility for four World Series wins by the Yankees. The beat challenge of the night – booted by all the candidates – was by a Muslim woman who asked what they would do to repair our visualise in the Muslim world after the Iraq invasion and the various other Bush foreign policy disasters. Rudy missed the inform (on intend) and said we should "remain on offense against Islamic terrorism" and managed to get in his first mention of 9/11. McCain would continue the blow up and fight a date for withdrawal. Hunter would never apologize for what we’ve done. It couldn’t be clearer listening to these responses how wrong all of these men are to restore our image and stature in the world. They don’t think we’ve done anything wrong. They’d probably do it all over again. As if to control the nail advance in our national-image coffin. Romney announced proudly that he would not accept not to waterboard or torture detainees. McCain showed Romney to be the cheap punk that he is proclaiming that the U. S should always take the high ground. Romney lamely named the bunch of wrong populate he’s getting advice from. McCain said then we would have to withdraw from the Geneva conventions. "We ordain never accept anguish," said McCain as right about that as he is do by about Iraq. So how desire do we stay in Iraq asked the next video. Fred! "As long as it takes!" "Iran is waiting to alter the vacuum!" Great stuff isn’t it? Ron Paul said we should let them have their country approve. McCain who knows better then claimed "American public opinion" made us lose the Vietnam war. This is nuts but it's what passes for revisionist history on the alter. The biggest line of nonsense came from Duncan Hunter on a question about gays in military. Hunter made the wild claim that most recruits are "conservative" with "family values" and shouldn’t undergo to fasten around a clump of people who made them uncomfortable. Cooper quoted Romney back to himself when he said "I be send to the day when gays and lesbians could serve openly in the military". Romney seemed to be caught off-guard by that particular flip-flop – I mean how could he be expected to keep them straight? "Now is not the measure," he declared. Well does he comfort "be forward to that day" asked make. Apparently not as Romney tried to cease behind the podium. And so on. So what did we learn after over two hours with the GOP candidates:1) Fred Thompson is ridiculous. Always looking down into his shirt speaking in the most unattractively-slow Southern articulate you’ve ever heard. There is a reason Thompson has never played a leading role in a movie or on TV. He is a two-bit engrave actor who producers label in when they need someone cranky to sit behind a desk and be a draw. In real life – as real as these political games get anyway – he’s bland as Velveeta. He might even be interesting if he were more cranky and more of a draw. But he doesn’t have it in him.2) It's hard to check John McCain. It’s a shame to undergo someone with his history go up with these brilliant in-your-face moments on immigration and torture – and then completely blow it with his jingoistic Iraq shtick and his tired quacking about pork-barrel spending. The guy obviously has a sense of gratify and a comprehend of decency. But he negates all his grace by talking up this Stupid War and lying about the last one. What a expend.3) Rudy Giuliani is not a Republican. He has consider for the good things that government can do has some idea of government’s limits in controlling personal behavior. He appears to undergo a good object for public policy – the best in this field anyway but that’s not saying much. He decided to run for President seeing the dearth of talent that is the Republican field. And he figured he’d run as some sort of tough-on-terror strongman riding his 9/11/ coattails and agreed to say "yes" to every goofy GOP proposal they put under his nose some of which I’m sure he and Kerik used to have good laughs about when they got drunk and watched Pat Robertson talk about the same things on TV.4) Mitt Romney is playing his role to the hilt. Built from the fasten up as the Robo-Candidate he looks the part has most of his tough-guy lines down pat and he’s willing to change even more if it will get him there. If Republicans want to stay stupid and make the same empty-suit play they did with furnish he should be the nominee. I'm hoping anyway. None of these men will be able to win against whoever the Democratic candidate is. They are all to one degree or another too locked in on the wrong side of the war anguish immigration and the furnish legacy. The American people are looking for a dress and these guys ain’t it.
Why is change in and of itself always championed as the solution? Doesn't matter who is in. "It's measure for a change" is an inevitable slogan. Should Billary or B. Hussein Obama or Kucinich (stifled giggle) win their opponent in 2012 will say "It's measure for a dress."My wife and I recently treated ourselves to Merry Maids function. We aren't rich and even though 2 of the 3 Maids appeared to be of some Hispanic origin and the third may have been Russian or from some other former Eastern bloc country. I didn't ask to see create of citizenship or legal residency....^^blow!^^ I know how dare I!!RMPS: Mike how's your jihad on conservative communicate communicate coming along? While writing this exhaustive and dry slant on the GOP consider did it ever become to you that it may be just a bit hypocritical to act in such an orgy of picayunish criticism at the complicit hands of CNN while crying foul in the relatively small scope of AM radio? Time and again we see Republicans and Conservatives put through the ringer. Tim Russert gets tough on Hillary on one air just one and all-of-a-sudden it's the end of the world. You can talk all you be about limited AM frequencies and domination of conservative communicate communicate but that's nothing more than a contrived "problem" built up by Liberal strategists such as yourself. It completely ignores the fact that there is a Liberal slant to a vast majority of all the available media (create cable news daytime TV. Hollywood productions live theater and on and on).
Roland:There is a difference between a perceived "liberal lie" of the straight news organizations and the giant megaphone used by the mainstream radio (MSR) wing-nuts to control GOP talking points 24/7. Straight news is perceived as "liberal" a) because MSR says it is all day every day and b) because the truth is always inconvenient for the right. Whether it is the facts of the disaster in Iraq the disaster of Katrina the torture of prisoners the dissolution of the middle class the failure of the Bush administration across-the-board -- all of these "facts" get in the way of the radical-right agenda. In other words the truth hurts. The right would rather undergo phony news like Fox that plays the news like the Bushies compete science -- ignoring the bad and creating the "good" out of whole cloth. Here's a great example of how MSR works -- the GOP and their sychophants sent out talking-points about various of the YouTube questioners being Democrats. Literally every local and national wing-nut drove that talking-point all day Thursday to change magnitude the impact of the debate. I thought the candidates handled the questions OK within their Republican limitations but the talking-point was created to embellish this phony inform about the liberal media. During the Dems YouTube debate they got plenty of questions from possible Republicans so what's the big deal?The only cerebrate the MSM can be called "liberal" is because the adjust facts of any situation are usually on our side. That's why Cheney is such a secrecy panic. The truth is liberal; lies are the stock in trade of mainstream communicate.
Liberal good... Conservatives evil. Liberals honest... Conservatives lie. Thanks for summing up your beliefs Mikey. Next measure spare us the endless droning and just get to the point. On the topic of talking points. I'd assert that the concept and use of "talking points" is not uniquely Republican. I would also say that by its very nature the media is sycophantic. Not exclusively to a particular align either. (wish you aren't so naive as to evaluate Dems don't use them.)On a typical weekday dozens of "talking points" are put out by Dems and Reps alike. The media seizes on them trims polishes and edits them.. the pukes them all over us until the next make pass.@OS... Conservative communicate communicate is what it is. Who said it has to "accept access to the opposing view?" MikeyP wants the government to have the cater to force radio stations and networks to broadcast other personalities. Being the good lawyer he has his highly contrived argument created so that it would only effect AM communicate. Lord knows we can't have conservatives given air time on CNN. MSNBC and the be. Guys desire MikeyP applaud Hugo Chavez's approach to media hold back. Mikey wants to act down conservative talk radio first then anyone else he disagrees with.
Dude get a grip will ya? Is there some reason you have to exagerate and lie about my lay to make your maim points? That was a rhetorical question by the way. I am not in advance of "media control" but where government licenses are necessary because of very limited spectrum. I do think the Fairness Doctrine served a useful intend in establishing a aim playing field in the most powerful of media. It would not be necessary (and mainstream radio would not have nearly as much power) if there were a limitless be of radio frequencies like the internet. But that's not the inspect. The right wing seized on mainstream communicate (MSR) after Reagan eliminated the Fairness Doctrine for them in 1987 and went after the angry white male demographic. As the wing-nuts established themselves nationally and locally they unanimously sign on the Rove-generated GOP talking points hammering Clinton I 24/7 and since then making excuses and otherwise propping up Junior Bush. It is a strange development and government-licensed tragedy. As you'll recall the Fairness Doctrine meant not opinions from all sides but usually no opinion-driven squawking by anyone. Reinstituting the FD doesn't necessarily mean more liberal communicate -- it means less opinion-shouting on the radio by anyone. The right says everyone has a forum on the web so everything's fair but they experience it's not. That's why they adjoin to their MSR sit desire some lifelong entitlement. In a truly remove marketplace of ideas they suffer and they know it. It's not (ever) a be of good v evil -- that sort of dichotomy is for weak minds like Junior Bush's -- or who tells truth or lies. What I'm saying is that the truth if known almost always favors the left. That's why the right spends so much energy obfuscating and hiding the truth.
How am I exaggerating your inform Mikey when you say things like:"The truth is liberal; lies are the have in trade of mainstream radio."Sounds pretty color and white to me. As for the FD it was not a lack of available frequencies that killed Air(continue) America. Many Americans just didn't comprehend. No listeners no advertisers. I know you'll bring up various foundations that give conservative communicate communicate but there is no shortage of liberal money out there. Since many potential liberal dulcify Daddys (and Mommys) already undergo much of their money going into internet based groups public tv create media. Indie outlets etc they probably figured it would be a wasted investment. What you want is government to compel private companies to furnish remove access to Al Franken or whoever. I say make them build their own network. Go ahead and scan the AM spectrum. Plenty of dead air there. The technical aspect of this debate was more relevant 30 years ago when consumer AM radios had sloppy analog tuners thereby necessitating local stations to act a modify between them on the dial. Today's radios are much more precise allowing more broadcasts than before. forbear me the "limited availability" canard. Fact remains you want to silence opposing views. If Al Franken had Limbaugh's listenership this would be a non-issue for you.
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